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Despite my dislike for Lew, I would have to say yes, we are better off today than before he came on as AD. I am curious to see what Wave thinks abou this.
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Re: Are we better off today than we were 7 years ago?
Gut reaction, yeah. An added Orange bowl and national championship help. Increased revenue and facilities.
Have we taken steps back from our highest point a year ago? Definitely.
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Re: Are we better off today than we were 7 years ago?
I don't think there is a clear answer to your question.
Facilities - Absolutely no question. HUGE upgrade. Lew did an amazing job of capitalizing on success of two coaches he didn't hire and capitalizing on a good economy to build build build. Probably the most impressive thing that Perkins was able to do in his tenure is act quickly and take advantage of success to build multiple projects at once. A more conservative person might have waited to do each project one at a time; if Lew had taken this approach we wouldn't have the facility upgrades in both football and basketball. Kudos to him for this incredible improvement.
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Basketball - Better. Only because we finally feel secure about Bill Self sticking around. Credit Lew for this as well. He did a good job locking Bill up after the National Championship. Now our only real fear is the NBA calling which would have been there anyway.
Football - Incomplete. How do you judge? If the one game is a trend....than we are much much worse shape. If the one game was just a really bad blip, perhaps we are better. I have said, this is Lew's legacy. If Turner is a success, Lew will be considered probably the best AD we have ever had. If Turner fails, everybody will remember the scandals and the ouster of Mangino.
Non-Revenue - Worse. I am not about overstating this importance. Football and Basketball obviously much more important. This is given more weight, because Lew himself made the goal for us to be a top 25 directors cup team. We have not made any ground up despite the goal.
Booster relations - Huge negative. Despite message board support, boosters absolutely hate Lew Perkins. He serves as an arrogant figure that has stolen millions.
National perception - Huge negative. We have the John Calipari of ADs. We love it when he "buys" our way into the Orange Bowl, but when he collects $4m and has repeated scandals on campus, it looks poor.
Overall, some good, some bad. As I have said, his legacy is tied to Turner Gill.Comment
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Re: Are we better off today than we were 7 years ago?
honestly, this isn't a questions for Wave, but for everyone else.
Will anyone view the Mangino firing as a negative 10 years from now no matter how Gill turns out? I just don't see how anyone thought he should be treated with respect after the things came out about him.Comment
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Re: Are we better off today than we were 7 years ago?
[quote author=KVN638 link=topic=962.msg10280#msg10280 date=1283962121]
honestly, this isn't a questions for Wave, but for everyone else.
Will anyone view the Mangino firing as a negative 10 years from now no matter how Gill turns out? I just don't see how anyone thought he should be treated with respect after the things came out about him.
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The Mangino situation was handled poorly. After the way things started, Lew's hands were tied and Mangino had to be relieved of duty. If we win a few of those Big 12 games and things shake out differently and the Mangino situation gets handled differently, maybe we still have the Fat Man patrolling the sidelines and screaming at Raymond Pendleton (which was awesome).
I may be naive, but I would like to think Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, and Bob Stoops do all the things Mangino did regarding player treatment. The only difference is they didn't have an epic collapse and they look better in khakis.Comment
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Re: Are we better off today than we were 7 years ago?
but in 10 years are you going to look back on how we fired Mangino as a big smear on the program like Wave will? I just don't see how one would. You have to fire a guy who is getting smashed by the media.
Unless you're a conspiracy theorist like Wave and believe Lew leaked it all on purpose.Comment
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Re: Are we better off today than we were 7 years ago?
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but in 10 years are you going to look back on how we fired Mangino as a big smear on the program like Wave will? I just don't see how one would. You have to fire a guy who is getting smashed by the media.
Unless you're a conspiracy theorist like Wave and believe Lew leaked it all on purpose.
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Good question. I agree that with the way things went down, Mangino had to be let go. I probably won't think of it as a giant smear or care a whole lot. We will still probably be a mediocre football school with surprise decent years thrown in there.
I don't think Lew's legacy will hang on the hiring of TG. His legacy is in the facilities and revenue he brought in, topped with freshly chopped scandal.Comment
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Re: Are we better off today than we were 7 years ago?
That shiny new building over by the scoreboard shouts a big, "YES" to me.
Talent? mostly yes.
Coaching? Get back to me in 4-5 games.Comment
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Re: Are we better off today than we were 7 years ago?
Facilities and expectations make it a yes. I'm guessing we have more talent in the locker room. Coaching is incomplete, but the first game didn't help.Comment
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Re: Are we better off today than we were 7 years ago?
[quote author=WavetheWheat link=topic=962.msg10276#msg10276 date=1283960986]
I don't think there is a clear answer to your question.
Facilities - Absolutely no question. HUGE upgrade. Lew did an amazing job of capitalizing on success of two coaches he didn't hire and capitalizing on a good economy to build build build. Probably the most impressive thing that Perkins was able to do in his tenure is act quickly and take advantage of success to build multiple projects at once. A more conservative person might have waited to do each project one at a time; if Lew had taken this approach we wouldn't have the facility upgrades in both football and basketball. Kudos to him for this incredible improvement.
At least you got this one correct
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Basketball - Better. Only because we finally feel secure about Bill Self sticking around. Credit Lew for this as well. He did a good job locking Bill up after the National Championship. Now our only real fear is the NBA calling which would have been there anyway.
and this one
Football - Incomplete. How do you judge? If the one game is a trend....than we are much much worse shape. If the one game was just a really bad blip, perhaps we are better. I have said, this is Lew's legacy. If Turner is a success, Lew will be considered probably the best AD we have ever had. If Turner fails, everybody will remember the scandals and the ouster of Mangino.
I'll agree with incomplete. But I think it is more than just Coaching. We have better facilities, which go a LONG way in recruiting, and that is the backbone of any program. If Gill isn't the guy, he'll be gone in a year or two anyway, and we still have the improved facilities.
Non-Revenue - Worse. I am not about overstating this importance. Football and Basketball obviously much more important. This is given more weight, because Lew himself made the goal for us to be a top 25 directors cup team. We have not made any ground up despite the goal.
While Lew did say this, do you think he really meant it? Hell no. He, nor anyone else really care about non-revenue sports because they are just that, non-revenue. We have been decently competitive so who gives a shit.
Booster relations - Huge negative. Despite message board support, boosters absolutely hate Lew Perkins. He serves as an arrogant figure that has stolen millions.
Here's the thing with this one...some boosters, such as yourself, absolutely hate Lew. Some loved him. And some of the hate he generated was from putting the points system in, so they would have hated anyone who made them actually pay for seats. I think this one is only a slight negative.
National perception - Huge negative. We have the John Calipari of ADs. We love it when he "buys" our way into the Orange Bowl, but when he collects $4m and has repeated scandals on campus, it looks poor.
This is where you are way wrong. Did you hear a single thing about this anywhere outside of KC? Nope. Does anyone really care about some little exercise equipment shit? Nope. Does anyone care about a little ticket scandal? They did for about 15 minutes when there was nothing else going on. Mangino? It seemed bigger, until the Leach stuff came out. They're still talking about that...Mangino? Nope.
In the time Lew was here, in the eyes of the nation, we won a BBall championship, retained Bill, and out bball team is dominating. As for football, we're a never was, so no one cares.
Overall, some good, some bad. As I have said, his legacy is tied to Turner Gill.
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