Hey TDH

[Geezer]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/08/sports/ncaabasketball/08basketball.html?_r=3&ref=sports

I have no clue but this doesn't look good.

[Evolvehawk]

Re: Hey TDH

that should make him like the 4th or 5th highest paid player on next year's UK roster

what's the problem?

[thedeerehunter]

Re: Hey TDH

Here's my favorite part of the article:

"Karakas declined to show a reporter records of the payments."

And this statement is a little telling as to what type of person this Karakas charachter is:

“I don’t believe that Enes will be a very good student at school in the States,” he said. “He won’t be a hard worker. I know. I know his fundamentals for school.



If they have proof and have had it all along, why are they just now coming forth with it? And why would they not share it with EVERYONE? Bottom line, this guy (Karakas) has nothing to lose and everything to gain. If it's found he's lying he'll suffer zero repercussions. If Kanter is ruled ineligible he and his organization will benefit greatly.

[blackPHOGmoan]

Re: Hey TDH

[quote author=thedeerehunter link=topic=958.msg10251#msg10251 date=1283950083]
Here's my favorite part of the article:

"Karakas declined to show a reporter records of the payments."

And this statement is a little telling as to what type of person this Karakas charachter is:

“I don’t believe that Enes will be a very good student at school in the States,” he said. “He won’t be a hard worker. I know. I know his fundamentals for school.



If they have proof and have had it all along, why are they just now coming forth with it? And why would they not share it with EVERYONE? Bottom line, this guy (Karakas) has nothing to lose and everything to gain. If it's found he's lying he'll suffer zero repercussions. If Kanter is ruled ineligible he and his organization will benefit greatly.
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Agree with you TDH. Imagine what we would be saying if the roles were reversed.

Klosterman wrote a piece one time saying that most news outlets write up and print a story based on the 1st person to call back. It seems like Karakas picked up the phone to put a few things in motion that could potentially benefit him.

[KVN638]

Re: Hey TDH

but if the NCAA starts investigating his amatuerism then do you let him play/practice?

[blackPHOGmoan]

Re: Hey TDH

Then they are in the same boat as we are with Selby, only lightyears behind. If they start investigating now, the NCAA might come up with a ruling around mid June.

[thedeerehunter]

Re: Hey TDH

At this point it's looking to be a gamble, no doubt. All my homerism put aside, I honestly don't think the Turks have anything on Kanter. I think it's all a big bluff on their part because they know if Kanter gets clearance it'll open the floodgates for all their elite players to leave in favor of playing in the US and ultimately the NBA in a year or so.

[Jayhawker]

Re: Hey TDH

I guess I just don't understand professional basketball in Turkey, but I still don't see how playing on a pro team overseas doesn't affect amateur status. If the Turks just let kids play for free without an agent, they should really consider re-working their system.

[thedeerehunter]

Re: Hey TDH

[quote author=Jayhawker link=topic=958.msg10304#msg10304 date=1283966832]
I guess I just don't understand professional basketball in Turkey, but I still don't see how playing on a pro team overseas doesn't affect amateur status. If the Turks just let kids play for free without an agent, they should really consider re-working their system.
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It affected it a lot more up until a recent rules change. Last year the NCAA ruled that Deniz Kilicli, a WVU freshman, must sit out the first 20 games of the season because he played 20 games the previous year on a turkish team that had ONE player that received a salary as a pro. To my knowledge Kilicli didn't receive any kind of salary, he just happened to play with one other person who did, and he had to sit 20 games.

[DrJamesANaismith]

Re: Hey TDH

Does squid have anyone left on the roster that can play down low besides Josh Harrellson?

This could get fun!

[thedeerehunter]

Re: Hey TDH

[quote author=DrJamesANaismith link=topic=958.msg10329#msg10329 date=1283971838]
Does squid have anyone left on the roster that can play down low besides Josh Harrellson?

This could get fun!
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Eloy Vargas

[Geezer]

Re: Hey TDH

Looks like the Kanter business is going to blow up in uk's face.
The Turkish team has submitted it's records to the NCAA for evaluation.
I guess recruiting pros is easier than buying players from Chicago.

Seriously, TDH, some day even you will grow tired of defending all of Calipari's actions.
I know that Cal took a chance on Kanter clearing and if he doesn't it's not that big a deal and I also doubt the $200,000 kid story but it must get old to have this stuff happen all the time.

I know that defending Perkins has worn me out in the last year.

[Evolvehawk]

Re: Hey TDH

the other turkish players never had their club team claiming they were paid a salary either

totally different scenario

[Jayhawker]

Re: Hey TDH

[quote author=thedeerehunter link=topic=958.msg10323#msg10323 date=1283969347]
[quote author=Jayhawker link=topic=958.msg10304#msg10304 date=1283966832]
I guess I just don't understand professional basketball in Turkey, but I still don't see how playing on a pro team overseas doesn't affect amateur status. If the Turks just let kids play for free without an agent, they should really consider re-working their system.
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It affected it a lot more up until a recent rules change. Last year the NCAA ruled that Deniz Kilicli, a WVU freshman, must sit out the first 20 games of the season because he played 20 games the previous year on a turkish team that had ONE player that received a salary as a pro. To my knowledge Kilicli didn't receive any kind of salary, he just happened to play with one other person who did, and he had to sit 20 games.
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Well that's confusing as shit. So as long as the entire team plays pro bono, you can recruit one of the players, but if one of them gets paid, it's the same as all of them getting paid? Even if the recruited player never received a dime?

Some [s]day[/s] [s]week[/s] month I will sit down and read the entire NCAA rule book.

[thedeerehunter]

Re: Hey TDH

[quote author=Jayhawker link=topic=958.msg10395#msg10395 date=1283993155]
[quote author=thedeerehunter link=topic=958.msg10323#msg10323 date=1283969347]
[quote author=Jayhawker link=topic=958.msg10304#msg10304 date=1283966832]
I guess I just don't understand professional basketball in Turkey, but I still don't see how playing on a pro team overseas doesn't affect amateur status. If the Turks just let kids play for free without an agent, they should really consider re-working their system.
[/quote]

It affected it a lot more up until a recent rules change. Last year the NCAA ruled that Deniz Kilicli, a WVU freshman, must sit out the first 20 games of the season because he played 20 games the previous year on a turkish team that had ONE player that received a salary as a pro. To my knowledge Kilicli didn't receive any kind of salary, he just happened to play with one other person who did, and he had to sit 20 games.
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Well that's confusing as shit. So as long as the entire team plays pro bono, you can recruit one of the players, but if one of them gets paid, it's the same as all of them getting paid? Even if the recruited player never received a dime?

Some [s]day[/s] [s]week[/s] month I will sit down and read the entire NCAA rule book.
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Yeah, the NCAA is all kinds of fucked up.