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  • #2
    I gotta think Bruce Weber is pretty low on this list, although I'm not seeing him on the chart.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by MissTCShore View Post
      I gotta think Bruce Weber is pretty low on this list, although I'm not seeing him on the chart.

      He's there. Look around 125 games and .55 winning percentage.

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      • #4
        I honestly think Bruce is a decent coach, not someone that I'd necessarily like to have at the helm, but I think he catches more hell than he deserves....because he's a doofus

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        • #5
          Spent way more time than I should have looking for scott drew...he may be in that clump around 70 games sub .500, I see a ScoXXXXXXXXXXXXX

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          • #6
            A few of those percentage points are attributable to Bob Huggins pissing Jim Beam down his leg.

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            • #7
              Wonder if there is a way to filter out games where the winning team has a 10 pt lead, but the scrubs allow the losing team to get some last second garbage 3's to bring it down to 4-5 point margin.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Joe Norris View Post
                I honestly think Bruce is a decent coach, not someone that I'd necessarily like to have at the helm, but I think he catches more hell than he deserves....because he's a doofus

                Joe Norris Yes, I think so, too. However, I've seen so many blown endings when the game was close that I expected him to be lower. He's actually at a fairly respectable percentage, here.

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                • #9
                  Guess it depends what we mean by "decent". Leaving out those first 3 years at Illinois and his first year or two at KSU, you end up with an average KenPom rank of 45th and a median of about 43rd. That's generally good for about 7th best in the Big 12. He's got more than enough data to solidify himself as an 8-10 or 7-11 in-conference type of guy.

                  He lucked his way into 10-8 last year with a pretty bad basketball team and that's literally the best he's ever done outside of his very first season there.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by LARPHawk View Post
                    Guess it depends what we mean by "decent". Leaving out those first 3 years at Illinois and his first year or two at KSU, you end up with an average KenPom rank of 45th and a median of about 43rd. That's generally good for about 7th best in the Big 12. He's got more than enough data to solidify himself as an 8-10 or 7-11 in-conference type of guy.

                    He lucked his way into 10-8 last year with a pretty bad basketball team and that's literally the best he's ever done outside of his very first season there.
                    I tend to look at what he's done with the talent he's had. (And only at K-State; I didn't follow what he did at Illinois). So, with the players he's been able to recruit he seems to do better than I would generally expect him to do. Even had a decent post-season last year (Elite Eight). We'll see how he does this year, but he's got a decent prospect of being in the top 3 or 4 in the Big XII this year.

                    Of course, most people consider recruiting to be part of coaching, and in that regard, he's not done very well.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MissTCShore View Post

                      I tend to look at what he's done with the talent he's had. (And only at K-State; I didn't follow what he did at Illinois). So, with the players he's been able to recruit he seems to do better than I would generally expect him to do. Even had a decent post-season last year (Elite Eight). We'll see how he does this year, but he's got a decent prospect of being in the top 3 or 4 in the Big XII this year.

                      Of course, most people consider recruiting to be part of coaching, and in that regard, he's not done very well.
                      I can't disagree with any of what you said, it's my take as well....he's done fine with what he's had and I believe he's overachieved with what's been given to him (Self and Martin gifts)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Joe Norris View Post

                        I can't disagree with any of what you said, it's my take as well....he's done fine with what he's had and I believe he's overachieved with what's been given to him (Self and Martin gifts)
                        I think Weber is a good coach who is one of the worst recruiters in the country. Unfortunately for him, you need to be both to run a top tier program.

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                        • #13
                          Add another one to Self's amazing record.

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                          • #14
                            Even with Wade healthy, I don't think K-State is very good. I see a 4th-place or worse finish for them.

                            Also, FWIW, I find it interesting that even though they extended Weber, the money isn't much more than it was previously, and on top of that, Klieman won't break the bank.

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