Your biggest gripe with KU football fans

[Joe Norris]

admittedly, this will mostly apply to the bandwagoners

but my biggest gripe is with the fans that think we could have hired Harbaugh, Tuberville, Leach,etc...hell yeah, that would have been nice, but not possible

look, I love KU Fball, but we're KU fucking Fball...we won an orange bowl, great, but, regardless, we're KU Fball, we have to have some sustained success before we start talking about hiring big names

While he was probably overpaid a bit, Gill is our guy, I believe that

[filmfanatic24]

Re: Your biggest gripe with KU football fans

Why do you think we couldn't have gotten Leach? Where is he coaching right now?

[KVN638]

Re: Your biggest gripe with KU football fans

waiting for a job he wants...

[Milo]

Re: Your biggest gripe with KU football fans

Why do you think we couldn't have gotten a different coach?

It seems to me we didn't really look around, but yes, Gill needs some time. His OC is bad and needs no more time. Long is an abortion of an OC.

[ICThawk]

Your biggest gripe with KU football fans

While I would have loved to see Leach, that hire would never have happened. We hired Gill because he was the anti-Mangino. Leach would have been Mangino-Lite.

[ICThawk]

Your biggest gripe with KU football fans

My biggest gripe is all those fans that just always assume certain games are wins. I agree that playing a rival will cause any team to play all out. However the team we have seen out there play 3 times now isn't going to step up to beat anyone. I am all for hope, but be realistic. It is more likely for us to end with 2 wins than the 5/6 people keep saying.

We are rebuilding, and it's about time everyone accept that. The sooner we do that, the sooner we give Gill a chance to grow.

[Milo]

Re: Re: Your biggest gripe with KU football fans

[quote author=ICThawk link=topic=1399.msg14968#msg1496 date=1286056136]
While I would have loved to see Leach, that hire would never have happened. We hired Gill because he was the anti-Mangino. Leach would have been Mangino-Lite.
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Lite, was that a passive agressive Mangino fat joke?

[ICThawk]

Your biggest gripe with KU football fans

[quote author=Jhawk2001 link=topic=1399.msg14971#msg14971 date=1286056560]
[quote author=ICThawk link=topic=1399.msg14968#msg1496 date=1286056136]
While I would have loved to see Leach, that hire would never have happened. We hired Gill because he was the anti-Mangino. Leach would have been Mangino-Lite.
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Lite, was that a passive agressive Mangino fat joke?
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..... Maybe .....

[chemhawk]

Re: Your biggest gripe with KU football fans

[quote author=Joe Norris link=topic=1399.msg14959#msg14959 date=1286054049]
admittedly, this will mostly apply to the bandwagoners

but my biggest gripe is with the fans that think we could have hired Harbaugh, Tuberville, Leach,etc...hell yeah, that would have been nice, but not possible

look, I love KU Fball, but we're KU fucking Fball...we won an orange bowl, great, but, regardless, we're KU Fball, we have to have some sustained success before we start talking about hiring big names

While he was probably overpaid a bit, Gill is our guy, I believe that
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Um...We had Harbaugh and Tuberville was begging for a job.

My complaint is the lack of understanding of what we can get / have in terms of talent. For us to be BCS worthy we need three or four gems in a class. It doesn't happen often.

[ICThawk]

Re: Your biggest gripe with KU football fans

[quote author=chemhawk link=topic=1399.msg14980#msg14980 date=1286057643]
[quote author=Joe Norris link=topic=1399.msg14959#msg14959 date=1286054049]
admittedly, this will mostly apply to the bandwagoners

but my biggest gripe is with the fans that think we could have hired Harbaugh, Tuberville, Leach,etc...hell yeah, that would have been nice, but not possible

look, I love KU Fball, but we're KU fucking Fball...we won an orange bowl, great, but, regardless, we're KU Fball, we have to have some sustained success before we start talking about hiring big names

While he was probably overpaid a bit, Gill is our guy, I believe that
[/quote]

Um...We had Harbaugh and Tuberville was begging for a job.

My complaint is the lack of understanding of what we can get / have in terms of talent. For us to be BCS worthy we need three or four gems in a class. It doesn't happen often.

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I'd settle for 2 at this point.

[Milo]

Re: Re: Your biggest gripe with KU football fans

[quote author=chemhawk link=topic=1399.msg14980#msg14980 date=1286057643]
[quote author=Joe Norris link=topic=1399.msg14959#msg14959 date=1286054049]
admittedly, this will mostly apply to the bandwagoners

but my biggest gripe is with the fans that think we could have hired Harbaugh, Tuberville, Leach,etc...hell yeah, that would have been nice, but not possible

look, I love KU Fball, but we're KU fucking Fball...we won an orange bowl, great, but, regardless, we're KU Fball, we have to have some sustained success before we start talking about hiring big names

While he was probably overpaid a bit, Gill is our guy, I believe that
[/quote]

Um...We had Harbaugh and Tuberville was begging for a job.

My complaint is the lack of understanding of what we can get / have in terms of talent. For us to be BCS worthy we need three or four gems in a class. It doesn't happen often.
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Expecting BCS bowls regularly is not our place in the football world. (We don't live in EA Sports world) Maybe once every 10 years or so is all we should ask for major bowls. I see no reason to think we can't win 8 wins more often than we do. We should own KState in recruiting, we should challenge MU, we should own ISU, we should have a way better record against Baylor, we should be on or greater than OSU. This would give us roughly 3-5 wins a year in league. Win our non con and we have 6 - 8 wins and a bowl.

What I think is that we didn't really look all that hard for a coach. I have no idea if the Harbaugh stuff was true, I have a hard time believing an internet website recruiting guy like Mascott and "sources". We just wanted a nice guy, and Turner fit that bill. He was also an easier pill to swallow because he got lip service interviews at Auburn and Nub so he looked like a guy other people wanted despite not having any credentials. He was a huge risk.

Why we are paying him 2 million I have no idea. I expect him to tithe greater than his 10 percent because he is WAY overpaid. I mentioned his salary to a nub fan I know and he just laughed and said we are getting screwed.

[chemhawk]

Re: Your biggest gripe with KU football fans

KU had four of its greatest ever last year - Briscoe, Meier, Reesing, and Stuckey.

EVER.

That team blew donkeys and lost 7 in a row.



From a talent standpoint, we are TERRIBLE. I can't and won't blame TG for this.

[ICThawk]

Re: Your biggest gripe with KU football fans

I agree Chem. Gill has another season so get a few of his players in. To help this team grow and play up to and above potential. If he can't make that happen we wont have a 3rd year. Here is what really scares me, if we boot Gill in 2-3 years where do we go then? (insert established coach) aint walking through that door!

[RandytheHelpfulPineapple]

Re: Your biggest gripe with KU football fans

We weren't getting Harbaugh, and he isn't going to be in college ball for long anyhow. Leach wouldn't have worked for PR reasons (and I don't think he was canned at that point). Tuberville could be a whiff, but we won't know until a few years have passed.

[Milo]

Re: Re: Your biggest gripe with KU football fans

[quote author=ICThawk link=topic=1399.msg14989#msg14989 date=1286059399]
I agree Chem. Gill has another season so get a few of his players in. To help this team grow and play up to and above potential. If he can't make that happen we wont have a 3rd year. Here is what really scares me, if we boot Gill in 2-3 years where do we go then? (insert established coach) aint walking through that door!
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What I don't get is why people say Gill would be here for the long term while (whichever name brand coach) would ditch us for greener pastures as soon as he had success. Who's to say Gill won't jump ship as soon as something better comes along? For crying out loud, Gill was campaigning for a better job at Buffalo as soon as he stepped on campus. He also took every interview that was given.

We will find a coach if Gill is epically bad, why is moving on going to chase other coaches away. What really scares me is having 4-5 year stint at Gameball like levels of running. The team into the ground and trying to find a guy to turn it around post realignment. KU shit in its nest by canning Mangino and not trying to make a better home run hire. Who could have taken the program and run with it. I mean, what KU fan can say with a straight face that Gill's resume is good enough to lead a BCS program? Its not.

We are with him, he is my team's coach, I want him to succeed. I will give him time, but so far, color me unimpressed. I predicted a 4-8 season, which is still in the cards. But Ga Tech isn't as good as everyone thought and with the exception of NDSU, we haven't been competitve in our losses. I wouldn't necessarily say we were all that competitive against NDSU anyway.

To cut through the shit, Gill had the team ready to play against Tech, we beat NMSU but they are really terrible. The other games we've been embarrassed and have been bowled over by speed, and been out coached big time. He has two weeks to prepare for KSU, I expect to be well prepared, competitive, and to execute. If we are blown out like this, it only gets worse for Gill. He faces an uphill climb since I believe that 70 percent of KU fans didn't want to hire him in the first place.

I am no bandwagoner, I just don't drink the kool-aid either.