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  • Another school shooting

    This time at a High School outside of L.A. One dead and several injured.

    https://news.yahoo.com/least-6-hurt-...161517110.html

    Looks like it's "Thoughts and Prayers" time again.

  • #2
    This thread feels out of place. I thought as a nation we'd settled on "throw up our hands and stop even acknowledging it happens". Ever since that South Park episode. When was the last school shooting thread on one of these boards before this?

    To be fair, short of actual action, "just not talking about it" is probably far and away the most effective prevention tool.

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    • #3
      The Oriental kid must have buckled under the pressure of getting straight-As, becoming a violin virtuoso, and placing first at the science fair. His mom is probably going to get on him for failing to kill himself.

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      • #4
        California has some of the strictest gun laws in the country.
        The Santa Clarita shooter was Asian. He used a handgun. He was 16yo & it's illegal for him to purchase a handgun. CA already has universal background checks. And laws about gun storage & negligence.
        Last edited by okjayhawker; 11-14-19, 08:04 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by okjayhawker View Post
          California has some of the strictest gun laws in the country.
          And the 9th-lowest rate of gun deaths. The 5 lowest are Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New York, Hawaii, and Connecticut. All states with stricter gun laws than California.

          I don't think you want to go down this path if you're trying to argue against strict gun laws.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by LARPHawk View Post

            And the 9th-lowest rate of gun deaths. The 5 lowest are Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New York, Hawaii, and Connecticut. All states with stricter gun laws than California.

            I don't think you want to go down this path if you're trying to argue against strict gun laws.


            Download:
            State Firearm Death Rate per 100k 2018 Deaths 2019 Pop.
            Louisiana 18.5 858 4,652,581
            Alaska 17.5 116 735,720
            Montana 16.9 161 1,074,532
            Nevada 16.1 390 3,087,025
            Arizona 16.1 934 7,275,070
            Tennessee 16 976 6,833,793
            Mississippi 16 455 2,987,895
            Alabama 16 736 4,898,246
            Arkansas 15.7 439 3,026,412
            Idaho 14.1 195 1,790,182
            New Mexico 13.9 267 2,096,034
            West Virginia 13.8 261 1,791,951
            South Carolina 13.8 589 5,147,111
            Wyoming 13.4 71 572,381
            Oklahoma 13.2 468 3,948,950
            Kentucky 13 548 4,484,047
            Missouri 12.9 752 6,147,861
            North Carolina 12.8 1,119 10,497,741
            Georgia 12.1 1,064 10,627,767
            Maryland 11.9 657 6,062,917
            Colorado 11.6 535 5,770,545
            Virginia 11.5 888 8,571,946
            Indiana 11.2 705 6,718,616
            Texas 11.1 2,490 29,087,070
            Pennsylvania 10.8 1,352 12,813,969
            Michigan 10.8 1,074 10,020,472
            Oregon 10.7 402 4,245,901
            South Dakota 10.2 82 892,631
            Utah 10.1 227 3,221,610
            Florida 10 1,838 21,646,155
            Ohio 9.6 1,116 11,718,568
            California 9.5 3,453 39,747,267
            Kansas 9.3 257 2,910,931
            Washington 8.8 567 7,666,343
            North Dakota 8.8 61 760,900
            Delaware 8.8 75 975,033
            Wisconsin 8.5 474 5,832,661
            Illinois 8 1,019 12,700,381
            Maine 7.8 109 1,342,097
            Nebraska 7.7 135 1,940,919
            Minnesota 7 361 5,655,925
            Vermont 6.8 44 627,180
            Iowa 6.7 201 3,167,997
            New Hampshire 6.6 88 1,363,852
            New York 5.3 1,019 19,491,339
            Connecticut 5.3 187 3,567,871
            New Jersey 5.2 434 8,922,547
            Rhode Island 3.6 39 1,056,738
            Massachusetts 3.4 224 6,939,373
            Hawaii 2.1 28 1,416,589





            Gun Deaths By State by Population 2019


            Source: CDC Firearm Mortality by State



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            • #7
              Which states have the strictest gun laws? Which states’ laws are the most gun friendly? We combined research results found through a number of sources to produce this ranking of states with the strictest gun laws. The state ranked 1 — California — appears to have some of the strictest laws, while the state ranked 50 — Utah — seems to have the most lenient gun laws.


              1. California
              2. New Jersey
              3. Massachusetts
              4. New York
              5. Connecticut
              6. Hawaii
              7. Maryland
              8. Rhode Island
              9. Illinois
              10. Pennsylvania
              11. Michigan
              12. North Carolina
              13. Colorado
              14. Oregon
              15. Washington
              16. Minnesota
              17. Alabama
              18. Delaware
              19. Virginia
              20. Georgia
              21. South Carolina
              22. Tennessee
              23. Ohio
              24. Maine
              25. Iowa
              26. Vermont
              27. New Hampshire
              28. Nevada
              29. Nebraska
              30. West Virginia
              31. Missouri
              32. South Dakota
              33. Mississippi
              34. Kansas
              35. Indiana
              36. Arkansas
              37. New Mexico
              38. Wyoming
              39. Texas
              40. Wisconsin
              41. Florida
              42. Louisiana
              43. North Dakota
              44. Oklahoma
              45. Montana
              46. Kentucky
              47. Idaho
              48. Alaska
              49. Arizona

              50. Utah




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              • #8
                Without looking at actual statistics, I would suspect that homicides by firearm (or any other means) is more closely related to the percentage of citizens in urban population centers than to gun laws. I don't know if that's the case, but I'd guess there is a relationship.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MissTCShore View Post
                  Without looking at actual statistics, I would suspect that homicides by firearm (or any other means) is more closely related to the percentage of citizens in urban population centers than to gun laws. I don't know if that's the case, but I'd guess there is a relationship.
                  That's probably true, but don't you think most guns are out in the sticks where the hayseeds and the hicks live? seems like if guns were the real problem, there would be more shootings out there.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MissTCShore View Post
                    Without looking at actual statistics, I would suspect that homicides by firearm (or any other means) is more closely related to the percentage of citizens in urban population centers than to gun laws. I don't know if that's the case, but I'd guess there is a relationship.
                    The highest homicide rates are generally in the South. I would think the South has a lower percentage of people in urban areas, but I'm not sure.

                    okjayhawker Your list above is either wrong or out of date. Here it is direct from their cited source though https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/s...ty/firearm.htm

                    California was 7th-lowest. States with the lowest firearm mortality rates, and their ranking in your strictest gun control laws list.

                    1. Hawaii (6th strictest gun laws)
                    2. Massachusetts (3rd)
                    3. New York (4th)
                    4. Rhode Island (8th)
                    5. Connecticut (5th)
                    6. New Jersey (2nd)
                    7. California (1st)

                    The list of states with strict gun laws and the list of states with low firearm mortality rates is damn near the exact same list.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by LARPHawk View Post

                      The highest homicide rates are generally in the South. I would think the South has a lower percentage of people in urban areas, but I'm not sure.

                      okjayhawker Your list above is either wrong or out of date. Here it is direct from their cited source though https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/s...ty/firearm.htm

                      California was 7th-lowest. States with the lowest firearm mortality rates, and their ranking in your strictest gun control laws list.

                      1. Hawaii (6th strictest gun laws)
                      2. Massachusetts (3rd)
                      3. New York (4th)
                      4. Rhode Island (8th)
                      5. Connecticut (5th)
                      6. New Jersey (2nd)
                      7. California (1st)

                      The list of states with strict gun laws and the list of states with low firearm mortality rates is damn near the exact same list.
                      Your map doesn't correspond with your list.

                      I'm sure there are additional factors. New Mexico is a huge drug trafficking area, for example.

                      But look at North Dakota, Utah, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Idaho.

                      I think a map by County would be more informative.

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                      • #12
                        They’re two different lists. First is homicides from all sources, second is gun deaths.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by LARPHawk View Post

                          The highest homicide rates are generally in the South. I would think the South has a lower percentage of people in urban areas, but I'm not sure.

                          okjayhawker Your list above is either wrong or out of date. Here it is direct from their cited source though https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/s...ty/firearm.htm

                          California was 7th-lowest. States with the lowest firearm mortality rates, and their ranking in your strictest gun control laws list.

                          1. Hawaii (6th strictest gun laws)
                          2. Massachusetts (3rd)
                          3. New York (4th)
                          4. Rhode Island (8th)
                          5. Connecticut (5th)
                          6. New Jersey (2nd)
                          7. California (1st)

                          The list of states with strict gun laws and the list of states with low firearm mortality rates is damn near the exact same list.
                          I was an attorney for Kansas City Southern Railroad for a minute after law school, and our main yard was in Shreveport, LA, where I had to go WAY more often than I would have liked. Purely anecdotally from my time there, I would bet money that the vast majority of homicides in Louisiana are from New Orleans and Shreveport. Our yard, like all rail yards, was in the most economically depressed area of the city, and it was BAD. Like really bad. On the way to the riverboat casino for lunch on my first day down there when I was new to the company, we turned out of the yard parking lot (surrounded by tall fences and concertina wire) and my coworker down there asks "Have you seen the Best of Cops?" I say "yes." And he says, "Remember that shootout at the all-brick liquor store with the automatic weapons? That's the joint, right there! Worst shit I've ver seen, even counting deployments (he was a West Pointer)!"

                          Short version: It's a shitty violent city.

                          Unrelated side-note: I also ended up shit-canned at 3 in the morning in the back room of a seedy bar in an illegal high-stakes poker game with the same guy and another co-worker (also a former West Pointer) that was straight out of a Grisham novel. Strange days, fo sho.

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                          • #14
                            The student on CNN being interviewed was asked if she recalls going through trainings in school about how to react if there is an active shooter. She said the trainings were great. But then she said when it really happens, you aren’t thinking training, you’re trying to stay alive (paraphrased).

                            About as effective as having people take shoes off at the airport.
                            Last edited by sean; 11-15-19, 07:08 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by LARPHawk View Post
                              To be fair, short of actual action, "just not talking about it" is probably far and away the most effective prevention tool.
                              Plenty of research shows attention to these tragic events spawns copy cat events. The school shooting preparedness events probably do the same. Reason is it gives individuals the idea where they may never have even thought of it without the media attention.

                              Also, considering children are still more likely to die via shit falling out of the sky than be shot in school, the attention given is far out sized to the actual threat.

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